Friday, March 20, 2009

First Look At Leader Jetfire Packaging

Australian forums OTCA has pictures of Leader class Jetfire packaging for Transformers 2 toy line. Not so much the toy itself but rather what the toy will look like and its box once it is released to market. The pictures were taken at the 2009 Toy Hobby and Nursery Fair in Melbourne, Australia. The toy will be part of wave 2 of the line which I think means a release date of around August 2009.

As the pictures show, Jetfire is the Autobot that uses landing strut as a cane. The packaging also teases with a silouette of the combined mode of Leader Optimus Prime and Jetfire. Overall a good looking figure that will look fantastic after ILM does their magic for the movie. The real question is whether the combined mode is used in the movie. Thanks to Brock and Phil for the link.

Leader Jetfire Bio:
Jetfire grew tired of war a long time ago. The reckless ambition of the Decepticons, and the senseless violence of their war sickened him, and so he left Cybertron to go into hiding. The form he eventually chose on Earth seemed appropriate for one who wished to remain unseen. He slumbered in peace for years. Now, reawakened by the arrival of the war on Earth, he decides once again to enter the fight - this time on the side of the Autobots, and this to end it for good, whatever the cost.


* Yep some comments have been cut if it seems other comments reference things no longer there. In some cases because of the cussing etc, in others because the comments were clearly going to lead to another mini-flame war (whether intended or not). My advice is to simply ignore insults. Its easier on everyone and besides if the person's opinion doesn't matter to you then they probably are not worth the time it takes to reply back. If removing posts does not work (or get to annoyed to continue) I will simply disable comments for this post. Trying this approach because those involved do add to the site, just occasionally go off on tangents so why throw out the baby with the bathwater if it can be avoided (for now).

144 comments:

  1. The toy looks much better than I expected.
    A sure buy for me.

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  2. tttooootttttaaaaalllllyyyyyy sweet!!!!! Ihave been waiting to see this guy, and it was well worth the wait. Why exactly did they blackout
    the photo of combined mode???!!?? I wonder if the figure actually has to lean on the crutch in
    order to stand....................

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  3. I hope they Also make a Voyager Class One.... the leader class may be neat, but i don't think i have the money to get This one, if i did then i HAVE to get the Leader Optimus. Just for the Combo@

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  4. myspace.com/halohendrix3/20/2009 2:36 AM

    So then what were the other Jetfire photos? Were they just a prototype of a false leak?? Anyone know??

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  5. Brock here,

    Thanks ADMIN for the 'shout-out' with the JetFire link.

    Perhaps the next time someone has info like this and they share an opinion {like JF & OP combining} other forum users won't jump down their throat with an immediate attack. It's a precious thing to have a mind of your own. I won't be told what to believe by a person who has a differing opinion.

    Take a lesson from me....especially the younger guys & girls that read/post here. You should be able to express your idea without fear of retaliation---unless 'counterpunch' is lurking :)

    'B'

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  6. Oh my shit. This is just so kickass. A definite must-buy for me. I like the bio, it seems to resonate his G1 character very well; I remember the TV episode that reflected his disgust for war.

    Curious to see what the combo hint means, Leader to Leader or Voyager to Voyager or something already combined? Fun times.

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  7. Counterpunch3/20/2009 4:12 AM

    Very funny Brock. Me lurking? Damn is this your blog? last I checked the whole world can read whatever is posted here.

    Stop being a smart ass. You're not winning any friends this way.

    Punch

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  8. this one looks sweet. but not sure if im a big fan of his "bearded" look. yeah i get it hes old and everything, but it just looks kinda corny..

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  9. I wonder if in the movie he will be able to transform like Starscream, i.e. jump then transform in mid-air and bugger off... or will he need to be ground based (if at low altitude) then take-off using a make-shift runway.

    Don't know if I like the idea of nuts n bolts falling off at every move, and I doubt a geriatric robot would be able to jump high enough and long enough for a Blackbird to transform, power up and thrust away, he'll end nosediving and plowing straight into Ratchet... MEDIC!!

    Canee wait!!!!!

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  10. Bay said he's old and why doesn't he have any glasses? Every old man has glasses! I think he'll look much better after shave his beard

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  11. Very funny Brock. Me lurking? Damn is this your blog? last I checked the whole world can read whatever is posted here.
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    I said the complete opposite---readers & posters SHOULD NOT be afraid to submit their opinions unless you are around {which you proved my point by calling me a smart @$$}

    You have a real comprehension problem---am I right?

    Don't worry about this character ladies & gents---read whatever you like and don't be afraid to share your opinion....without using swear words and racism of course :)

    Brock

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  12. Counterpunch3/20/2009 4:50 AM

    Whatever Brock-back mountain. *Yawn*

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  13. Well well well---someone can't follow the rules.....

    A homosexual connotation?

    Looks like someone just got 'banned'

    You will be missed *Yawn*

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  14. Counterpunch3/20/2009 5:08 AM

    So says the one who is anonymous. muppet.

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  15. He looks pretty cool, I'll definently buy him. Can't wait to see what he and Optimus look like combined.

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  16. Ok, definite purchase. Very impressed with how that looks. Love the head on it too. The 'beard' and spikes and light up eyes make him look pretty evil. Looks great.

    9 for speed though? That in jet form or in fogey-form?

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  17. Certainly looks very cool, though I'm not much of a collector, so probably won't be getting any leader classes. XD
    He's got a basic Decepticon motif I think, having dark colours, edgier parts and seeming more militaristic, and the red optics are a nice touch.
    I also dig the wrist-chaingun. It's like he's saying 'one word about the cane and you'll get this in your face'. XD

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  18. Counterpunch3/20/2009 5:56 AM

    Steelwave said... He's got a basic Decepticon motif I think, having dark colours, edgier parts and seeming more militaristic, and the red optics are a nice touch. <---- if you read the TF Defiance comics it explains that the Decepticons are the military robots of Cybertron.

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  19. Well its confirmed, jetfire is the fallen. Just look at the spikes on his head. Oh, and counterpunch is a fag.

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  20. So jetfire will be the autobot to die in this movie?

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  21. i got a feeling that he well take on a new form that well stop his falling apart, i mean jetfire wasnt known for breaking down and being pisted off that was kup so hopefully he gets a BOT LIFT lol

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  22. Well its confirmed, jetfire is the fallen. Just look at the spikes on his head.

    So that means... Sideswipe is Jazz! Cause they are both silver!

    No, it's not a confirmation, it's just fanz stupid talk...

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  23. its not stupid talk, jerk. My point was the face on the toy is identical to the poster released a while ago that many people think is the fallen. Also, I'm more convinced this design is the same as the trailer clip that shows the "fallen" teleporting. Jetfire always has been the fallen. there is no "fallen" character.

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  24. Coolest leader ever . . . Except for 2nd movie leader class prime.

    I love the Jet mode and i believe the blacked out combination is so people are suprised when the film is released. The only strange thing is the spikes on the side of his face. They look like wiskers :)

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  25. Brock i take issue with what you said above,
    why didn't you include Scorpio along with counterpunch?

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  26. Spotted something :)
    Jetfire has the decepticon symbol on his wing atleast i think he has can someone give us some out of box pics!

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  27. -why didn't you include Scorpio along with counterpunch?-
    Oh come on he isnt swearing and hasnt insulted brock (That i know of) he has a few long posts and thats it! Jetfire is awesome although i think i need to see the combined form . . . NOW!

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  28. except the fallen has his own toy.
    and the picture of the movie poster has no beard.
    and the coloring book had shown the fallen and jetfire in the same picture.
    other than that i agree, Sideswipe is Jazz.

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  29. Anon: 7:36 AM

    Hahahaha. No, Jetfire is NOT the Fallen. If you look at the poster and Jetfire's face, you can clearly see that they are NOT the same.
    Check the shootfortheedit.com forums where there are a few pics of the Fallen. There you see that there are many differences.

    I'm trying to like Jetfire's face, but it's kinda hard with the beard and the "crazy scientist hairstyle" on the edges of his face.
    Hopefully he's bitter, angry and focused, and not just silly.

    And Counterpunch and Brock, go someplace else and continue your childishness, we are not interested in your petty arguing. As we say in my hometown: sluta för helvete, dryga jävla skitungar.

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  30. Jetfire and "the Fallen" are one and the same. The more info released, the more convincing this seems.

    W.W.W.

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  31. Jetfire always has been the fallen.

    WHAT...?

    Also, I'm more convinced this design is the same as the trailer clip that shows the "fallen" teleporting.

    No it's not, but people sometimes see what they want to see, and not what tehere really is...

    My point was the face on the toy is identical to the poster released a while ago that many people think is the fallen.

    No it's not, but people sometimes see what they want to see, and not what there really is...

    Sorry, i'm not calling you stupid or something, but you are just wrong :P

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  32. Jetfire and "the Fallen" are one and the same. The more info released, the more convincing this seems.

    And your prouf is...? I mean, other then "cause i say so!!111".

    And tell me, why is Jetfire looking so old, and need a support to stand while in robot mode, if Fallen don't look like that/don't need that?

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  33. Regardless of the appearance of "the Fallen" and Jetfire being somewhat different (except for the red glowing eyes), I haven't read anyone with an opinion that could overthrow the theory that many people reached earlier: that "the Fallen" is the old, original cybertronian form of the same robot as Jetfire, which is the form he later chose on earth.

    Don't mean to challenge anyone, but I wonder if I had missed a comment that could completely disprove the above. Would really like to hear it.

    W.W.W.

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  34. Oh yeah, about Jetfire "being so old to need a cane to stand", it's because he ("the Fallen") has been on earth for thousands of years (5,000-10,000) years judging by the history of Egypt, from primitive to high ancient civilization, and he's probably been alive long before that. I don't know why robots would show signs of age as people do, but in the original cartoon, the oldest transformers were shown personified with beards.

    Hence I still believe Jetfire and "the Fallen" is likely the same robot.

    W.W.W.

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  35. Anyone else notice the 'toy' in the box is not a toy, but looks like a 2d colour cut out of one? Weird!

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    And lol at the Fallen is Jetfire and Jazz is Sideswipe stuff. It's almost as bad as the Cloverfield 'It's a lion, it's huge!' debate, and i guess those people still feel stupid about that one!!!

    Hell, i don't care either way, it's just another thing to look forward to in the movie.

    Chris.

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  36. I haven't read anyone with an opinion that could overthrow the theory that many people reached earlier: that "the Fallen" is the old, original cybertronian form of the same robot as Jetfire, which is the form he later chose on earth.

    And i haven't read any sensible opinion that could support the theory that Jetfire is Fallen :P

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  37. Anyone else notice the 'toy' in the box is not a toy, but looks like a 2d colour cut out of one? Weird!

    It's not the first time, when they were showing Universe Silverbolt for the first time they did the same thing.

    Ps: Jetfire is not The Fallen... It wouldn't even have any sense...

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  38. Being one of the first to mention that Jetfire/the Fallen could be the same robot, I guess I have to go back to my original theory. Perhaps many people missed them.

    My theory was that like the original G1 cartoon, where Jetfire(Skyfire was used but they are the same robot as suggested in comics a so on), crash landed on earth long ago and was trapped in ice.

    So I came to realize that "the Fallen" could literally mean someone who "Fell" from the sky, rather than the word "Fallen" being in the sense of "the Defeated". So there you go.

    Not to mention I think both the robot that we perceive to be "the Fallen" and Jetfire are old in their body designs and I personally think their appearances give off the same type of energy and feel.

    W.W.W.

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  39. Like a lot of the new TFs we're seeing... the voice acting will make the difference between cool and just plain silly. (even the skating-on-thin-ice Twins)

    Jetfire looks badass enough to me.. but if he sounds like Buddy Hackett or Don Rickles... For Jetfire, I'm thinking a Sam Elliott, raspy, battle-hardened mofo.

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  40. People still think Jetfire and the Fallen are the same character? i'll recognize the similarities in their overall structure.....but there are just as many differences. Without going into details that don't need to be repeated again, the evidence has stacked up pretty well to refute the idea that they're the same character.

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  41. I'm definitely expecting a battle hardened, rough and raspy voice for Jetfire....but without the Western feel Sam Elliot would bring.

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  42. hey anonymous dude that says jetfire is "the fallen".... amen dude, ive been sayin that for some time and get flamed.... to me it made no sense why two "ancient" transformers would be in the same film...i too think the robot that teleports is his cybertronian form. as for that bot not using a cane, i noticed that when he teleported down he was leaning on his right arm, the same arm hes supporting with the landing gear as jetfire.... another clue is the fact that for this movie there are 3 and only 3 leader class bots....megatron, prime, and jetfire... if the "fallen" was such a big character why wouldnt he have a leader class toy ? so far no one has given me a good answer.... all comic book geeks hoping their obscure comic dreams come to life.... o and look out for the ones that say that hes in the alliance and defiance comics... the comic writers havent even seen a script...orci never heard of the comics...and bay says we got it all wrong...... granted i admit we both may b wrong, but no one should get flamed for having an opinion that differs from another, simply because that person thinks theyre right.... 3 months now till we find out...

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  43. Jetfire is not the Fallen! They're far too differents! How many times I have to say it?!

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  44. to me it made no sense why two "ancient" transformers would be in the same film...

    Maybe they are similar, because they are both ancient...?

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  45. Jetfire toy: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_G96gxvrHqrE/ScMrME7j_-I/AAAAAAAAFX4/AiNJSw__x1s/s1600-h/TF2LeaderJetfire4.jpg

    Fallen toy: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_G96gxvrHqrE/SZAQiSMKRGI/AAAAAAAAFCk/VMsLwzpWUYU/s1600-h/MoreFallenPics1.jpg

    Proof that The Fallen is a seperate character: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_G96gxvrHqrE/SY4VQYn9HDI/AAAAAAAAFBA/yMPlNP4mhMk/s1600-h/TF2Fallen3.jpg

    Proof that the Fallen and Jetfire are seperate characters: http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attachment.php?do=fullview&attachmentid=15967

    Proof that the Fallen doesn't have Jetfire's beard: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_G96gxvrHqrE/SZZFiCDd1CI/AAAAAAAAFFM/rOBW8ESeevQ/s400/ETTheFallenPics3.JPG

    Either you guys don't read the blog much, or you're just picking fights like 3rd graders on an elementary school play yard.

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  46. anyone think that jetfires face kinda resembles dr. robotnic from snoic the hedgehoge?

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  47. Thunda Chunky3/20/2009 11:32 AM

    Thank you The Chad. Good stuff but I doubt it'll silence the doubters. Nothing ever does.

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  48. It's obvious that his (Jetfire's) face is the one on the poster...

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  49. It's obvious that his (Jetfire's) face is the one on the poster...

    Especially, that it doesn't even resemble him. Yup, i am convinced.

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  50. "It's obvious that his (Jetfire's) face is the one on the poster..."

    I think you pretty much just proved my point. Even though I know that you're most likely just saying this the generate debate and draw out my desire to prove people wrong, I'll bite anyway.

    http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/5214/charq.jpg

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  51. I hope his beard is just like....i dunno...intake vent slats or something to that effect conveniently arranged in a beard....If its "real" hair blowing in the breeze....that'd be stupid...even though they were like that in the G1 stuff.

    The "no matter what the cost" bit in the bio also makes me think that either Jetfire or Prime is gonna 'bite the big one' in this movie.

    Maybe if Prime DOES get beatdown in this movie(by Megs or Devy*Demolishor..who ever)..Jetfire combines with Prime to 'save' him and they kick the crap out of the 'Con bad ass (Megs, Devy, etc,etc) but it costs one of them their life???

    What do ya think about that? FLAME on!!! LMAO

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  52. Do you guys really think that the writers of the comic have not been given a copy of the script? Get Real. IDW holds the Official rights to ROTF comics. Its not because they are just making stuff up. They know what is going to happen.

    About The Fallen Being Jetfire, They may be related/brothers.

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  53. Jetfire is NOT the Fallen one really good reason is the Fallen started the war between autobot and decepticon and told megatron to do it so. Then why would Jetfire think that the war is senseless?

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  54. "Jetfire is NOT the Fallen one really good reason is the Fallen started the war between autobot and decepticon and told megatron to do it so. Then why would Jetfire think that the war is senseless?"

    Careful! You're traveling into comic territory and that's taboo! (/sarcasm)

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  55. I agree with The Chad. And when you click on the pics above, the only similarity between them would be the metal sticks coming out of the sides of their faces. Everything else is diffrent.

    The Fallen is the reason we even have two factions, (Auto's and Decep's.) I don't think he would just change his mind because he got old.

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  56. sorry i'm not the biggest TF fan, but i realised Jetfire retained the red eyes!

    is this a rule? like once you start out decepticon, you'll always have red eyes? i know autobots' are blue...

    how about Wheelie? if he's supposed to be a spy for the decepticons, won't his red eyes(if any) give him away?

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  57. "sorry i'm not the biggest TF fan, but i realised Jetfire retained the red eyes!

    is this a rule? like once you start out decepticon, you'll always have red eyes? i know autobots' are blue...

    how about Wheelie? if he's supposed to be a spy for the decepticons, won't his red eyes(if any) give him away?"

    I'm looking forward to see how they deal with this. Are we seeing a pic from Jetfire pre-turn? And the pics of the Wheelie toy don't indicate colored eyes, but that doesn't really mean anything. Maybe they'll be purple. j/k

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  58. hopefully a new trailer will be released sooner due to the leaks on these toys.

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  59. hopefully a new trailer will be released sooner due to the leaks on these toys.

    What is the conection?

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  60. Counterpunch3/20/2009 3:38 PM

    Essex - how's the comics? satisfied, mate?

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  61. "hopefully a new trailer will be released sooner due to the leaks on these toys."

    I don't see the correlation. Leaks had no affect on the release of trailers for the 1st movie.

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  62. JETFIRE IS NOT THE FALLEN
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    Too bad its been confirmed by two writers of the comic book (who have the script) that the fallen is
    a separate character. And he has his own toy as well as separate images that show clear differences between them. That and the fact the in jetfire's bio it says he used to be a decepticons. While it has been confirmed that the Fallen created the Decepticons and played a big part in the war. And that he was trapped in Egypt long before the war began. Not only that the coloring books shows them as two separate characters.

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  63. To everyone who thinks Jetfire is the fallen here`s a pic which might change your mind:
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/27/Fallen2.jpg
    That is the fallen he also has a toy. Although Jetfire`s face looks the same as the Fallen they are both separate characters. I dont mind people showing there views but at least do it about something we don't know about.

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  64. Vector Prime3/20/2009 5:52 PM

    Hey, for all you "Jetfire is teh Fallen!/No he isn't, stupid!" I present a theroy: The 1st 13 TFs play a part in then movie plot right? So maybe Jetfire and the Fallen are different, but Jetfire is one of the 13, like the Fallen, thus explianing the similarites!

    P.S. I'm not Brock. :P

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  65. "Hey, for all you "Jetfire is teh Fallen!/No he isn't, stupid!" I present a theroy: The 1st 13 TFs play a part in then movie plot right? So maybe Jetfire and the Fallen are different, but Jetfire is one of the 13, like the Fallen, thus explianing the similarites!"

    Not a bad theory.......and if Jetfire isn't one of the 13, at least he's from that era.

    Oh, and that you admin for cleaning up the trash.

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  66. Counterpunch3/20/2009 5:56 PM

    Good job TFLIVE.

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  67. Responding to Vector Prime:
    You make a good point as only, i think two, of the original 13 transformer are known:

    Vector prime
    The Fallen

    Jetfire in this adaption could be one of the original thirteen however it would be contradicting the Transformers lore that states that 1 and only 1 betrayed them and became a decepticon this means all the others stayed as autobots which wouldn't explain the bio. However i wonder whether there will be more of the Thirteen in the film!
    P.s. Dear admin if you are reading this the blog is acting very strangely. 20 comments just deleted themselves from this section. If this was you clearing up the blog please say so!

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  68. "Oh, and that you admin for cleaning up the trash."

    Oops, I mean thank you.

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  69. Counterpunch3/20/2009 6:00 PM

    Yes Scorp it was him. And Brock is gone.

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  70. Replying to The Chad at 5:58
    I agree i never knew how much time he puts into this blog. This really shows how dedicated he is to the blog. Hopefully soon people will respect the blog and stop posting rude comments.

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  71. I think people forget that despite the popularity of this blog, this is a personal blog and that it's a privilege for us to be able to comment on it.

    It's like someone invites a bunch of people with similar interest over to their house and those people trash it up......with most of them wearing masks in the process. TFLive doesn't have to go out of their way to keep us updated with news at a nice central location. Have some respect people. That's all I ask.

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  72. ok i've read enough im loosing hope in this blog, jet fire is not the fallen,lets look at the basics the head to start, fallen has a egyptian head dress type thing going on and jet fire well just dont, jet fire chicken starscreamish legs fallen um no, fallen is more like a praying mantis what i could tell from the trailer, jet fire is not, poster clearly shows how fallens head has a decepticon symbol shape to it, fallen had no cane so what people are saying is in his cybertronian mode no cane and when he scans the blackbird he has to have one, um nope. oh and he grew a beard cuz scanning a new form does that to you know.who knows jetfire might be the only one to know how to destroy the fallen and knows his weekness, bring in one ancient to kill another..if all holds true to the fallens story in the eyes of other tfs he is just myth so no one knows really anything but stories about him thats were jetfire comes in if he is as ancient as he is portraid he has probably faced the fallen in battles of the past

    T.K.

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  73. Anybody else think that the Fallen might just be in the last 10 mins. of the movie???..ending in a cliffhanger/non-cliffhanger or whatever for the 3rd....even though everyone involved with the movie said all the *jazz* about each movie being its own entity and one not leading to the other and what not!

    The roster spots that we know about in the movie are slowly starting to fill up and its kinda starting to look like there might not be *too* much more character development than in TF1!!!

    Unless Prime fills in the gaps with a narrative voiceover...kinda like the Cybertron flashback in TF1!!

    To Admin= You KNOW how bad ass your site is....great job!!!!

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  74. Counterpunch3/20/2009 6:58 PM

    Im curious... WIll the Jetfire Prime combo fight against Devastator or against the Fallen?

    I dont think Jetfire can cope that much as he is old and wont outmatch both the Fallen & Devastator at the same time when merged with Prime.

    Im guessing the combined height of Jetfire+Prime will be the same as the Fallen but Devastator is way, way taller as we saw Prime's entire length only as long as Demolishor's head.

    And in the trailer we did see Prime getting whacked by a Decepticon & he looked in pretty bad shape in that clip.

    Who will counter Devastator?

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  75. Well, since the Fallen is really Jetfire - and we know that Jetfire turncoats over to the Autobots - clearly the Fallen, with his almighty power will easily be able to overcome the might of Devastator...

    /sarcasm

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  76. GOOD STUFF...YO COUNTERPUNCH AND SCORPIO,whatcha think???

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  77. if any posts should b deleted its the ones that continue to beat the comic books over our collective heads. who cares what 2 writers of the comic books say...i only care what the writers of the actual movie say, because they wrote the movie, duh... comics are not canon in the movie universe..orci has said this and nver even heard of your alliance, defiance crap...unless it said by at least one of the writers or bay , nothing is "confirmed"...and still no explanation why if this "fallen" is so important and is the major baddie in the movie, why is there no leader class? and nevr will b ? if he really is in the movie, it makes him a secondary character at best... so how bout everyone stop saying theyre right and we all wait and see...its what i said at the end of my original post anyways....

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  78. Please end this point less debate,JETFIRE IS NOT THE FALLEN!!OR VICE VERSA!!their is to much proof
    against the theory, the only things similar is that they both transform into air craft,but that doesnt count, its clear thst Bay must love jets.
    I mean he takes megatron who turns into a gun, now he turns into a jet, fallen was tank, now hes ajet,other examples are mystery jet, breakaway, and others from the first movie toyline. Their are to many differences between the two, and other proof, such as jet fire s bio, it doesnt suggest he was the fallen,the coloring book where it shows jetfire and fallen in the same picture.And some tid bits in the prequel comics have some information that contradicts it. so people, JETFIRE+FALLEN =DIFFERENT

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  79. Sorry about the reallly long post above me, I just had to point those things. And now OFF the subject of jetfire/fallen debate, I must say I
    love the design of this toy,jetfire,leader op,
    rampage,sideswipe,at least one ofd the unicycle bots unless they combine,Im definitely not gettting leader megs,that left arm and crappy tank mode just suck.and if its a real toy then mystery jet,oohh and voyager starscream is amust.
    I am so far very pleased with rotf toys, and including the above list will probably get either a majority or all of them in the deluxe,voyager,leader classes..

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  80. Lets just stop arguing and wait till June 24th people. Even though I think the fallen and Jetfire are two separate characters because of all the evidence I also find this debate useless. No one will win or know till June 24th.

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  81. I never heard Orci say anything about ROTF comics. How do you know they are not cannon. This is not The Reign of Starscream

    And by the way Counterpunch, I had to go out and get a copy it was the bomb.

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  82. Someone who has lots of time on their hands (i'm looking at you, scorpio) make a list of all the "jetfire = the fallen" posters and a second list of all the "jetfire != the fallen" posters, so that on june 25th the posters on the winning list can egg the losers' houses.

    Put me on the "IS NOT" side plz

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  83. Counterpunch3/21/2009 1:05 AM

    Kup - about what?

    Essex - glad you liked it

    yankeesrules587 - do you even understand what ' prequel to the 2nd movie' means?

    Everything in the Alliance & Defiance comics storyline IS about the history of the Autobots & Decepticons from Cybertron to Earth.

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  84. Aren't many Transformers, kinda, you know, ancient? Who says there cant be more than one ancient bot in a movie? Isn't Optimus pretty darn old? And if The Fallen is supposed to be Jetfire, then why would he not have a cane in the movie, be tucked away in the Smithsonian sleeping and then suddenly teleport to Egypt, and why would he lose his alt form on his way to Egypt?

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  85. I don't know if anyone would share this opinion but....

    Does it look like "Jetfire" is going to grab "Scorponok" out of the air with his left hand and stab him [to the ground] with the landing gear 'cane' in his right hand?? That theory would give Scorpy a quick cameo and death :)

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  86. ^^^ Anon @ 1:26 AM

    He does have the 'cane' in the movie. When Scorps attacks him{in a scene filmed in Egypt}you can see that he uses his front{I think front}landing gear as his walking stick or cane.

    The Fallen is the bot that lands/teleports in front of the military and blows them back from the impact plus he appears to have fire running through his body

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  87. By the way, I have thought few things. Bumblebee and rest of the Decepticons were already on Earth in movie's beginning. Prequel comic explained that Bumblebee, Starscream, Blackout and Barricade arrived to Earth in year 2003. About that, shouldn't Jetfire's landing on Earth be explained in Allince or Defiance comics?

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  88. Jetfire looks promising, yet another great accomplishment for Bay & Co. Art Dept. Way to go!! Can't wait to see the ILM version, and the rest of the bots!! Heres for the best movie of the Year!!!

    ( Eager to see the robot mode of Scrapper and Rampage !! ) AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

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  89. Counterpunch3/21/2009 3:16 AM

    Anonymous said...

    By the way, I have thought few things. Bumblebee and rest of the Decepticons were already on Earth in movie's beginning. Prequel comic explained that Bumblebee, Starscream, Blackout and Barricade arrived to Earth in year 2003. About that, shouldn't Jetfire's landing on Earth be explained in Allince or Defiance comics? <-------- read his bio mate. He came to Earth in exile & hid himself in a museum. Hardly a place of interest to the Decepticons & Autobots alike.

    Wheelie will be the one that "finds" him at the museum when the movie comes out. And no Jetfire doesnt come out in the prequel comics so that we viewers wont get a spoiler on how he will "really" look like onscreen.

    Same as when they just showed a silhoutte of Soundwave on Mars when he was looking for clues...

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  90. maybe they (j.f. and f.llen) are similar in their appearence because both are ancient transformers. OR, this is a bit farfetched, but it could be that when the fallen came through the portal to Earth, the portal was damaged (remember the purple lightnings from defiance2) and somehow made a "copy" of the robot, wich became schizophrenic and left to visit a museum and tadaaam: JETFIRE!! Meanwhile the eskimos buried the fallen in their pyramid. Just a theory.

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  91. Stupid, the Fallen is prisoned to other dimension. And that machine thing with mentioned word 'sun' is space bridge, way to TransWarp the Fallen back to our world.

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  92. You didn't talk about Egyptians or that mysterious pyramid, but I talked. I don't think Jetfire is an anicent transformer. Ancinet transformers have always retained their Cybertronian forms.

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  93. I think it's time to eliminate comments!!!!

    I saw what happened earlier between a few users and that was quite disturbing. The numbered posts have stopped and the cursing has also. It just seems that noone can have an opinion here anymore---or if someone wants to explain why they are right they do it so RUDELY.

    You hold the power site Admin. It wouldn't be a big loss anyway. Your site is my personal favorite and I just started realizing that this behavior won't ever change. I'd rather give up seeing & reading the same rude posts one after the other as long as your site stays active. You have more important duties to uphold than baby-sitting.

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  94. "I think it's time to eliminate comments!!!!"

    shut up troll

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  95. ^^^ You just proved my point---Thanks :)

    Noone can have an opinion on this blog!!

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  96. I hope that the combined Optimus-Jetfire will be in the movie. It'd be awesome if they did combine.

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  97. "I think it's time to eliminate comments!!!!"
    Please don't be a dead horse we were doing just fine until you brought that up let the admin decide whats best for the blog.
    "I hope that the combined Optimus-Jetfire will be in the movie. It'd be awesome if they did combine."
    Me too imagine them combining all set to Steve Jablonsky's score.

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  98. -Im curious... WIll the Jetfire Prime combo fight against Devastator or against the Fallen?-

    Too early to tell but it seems that in the coloring book that Jetfire was fighting Megatron and Prime was fighting the fallen so i suppose that they will combine to fight Devastator. However the comic also shows Simmons (?) running up the pyramid towards devastator so it might be that he kills devastator probably with an EMP or the Splinter (Part of the remains of the Allspark)

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  99. Has anyone noticed this yet:

    http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attachment.php?do=fullview&attachmentid=16279

    Underneath it says "As shown on TV does this mean that the Jetfire/Prime combo will be in a TV series or that we will see it in a new trailer or teaser. Then again it could refer to the stuff underneath.

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  100. -( Eager to see the robot mode of Scrapper and Rampage !! ) AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!-
    Scout class Scrapper:
    http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attachment.php?do=fullview&attachmentid=11862
    Deluxe class Rampage:
    http://www.tfw2005.com/resources/attachment.php?do=fullview&attachmentid=9774
    Enjoy :)
    p.s Sorry for the posts in a row!

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  101. I just wanted to politely point out---that is Scout class "Dirt Boss"

    Scrapper doesn't have an individually released toy yet but....I'm sure it will be awesome along with a robot mode for the crane "Hightower". It is an absolute shame that instead of that $100 DEV toy they could have created one where they all have robot/vehicle modes and also combine.

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  102. Thanks to yankeesrule587, who at least have an open mind to consider the possibility that "the Fallen" and Jetfire can be the same character.

    Those of you offering "proofs" that "the Fallen" and Jetfire are different robotic beings, I'm sorry but all you offer are pointing out differences in their physical appearances. I've seen from day 1 that they are different that's why we came up with the theory that "the Fallen" is his original form and the BlackBird spy plane is the later earth form he took on in in the 1960's. That's when the plane was designed and flight tested.

    And to those of you who are reasoning from comic books or the "coloring book" (hehe this is funny as I can't help but remember Sam making the comment about brain damage in the first movie to the jock), here's my theory on why the coloring book shows "the Fallen" and Jetfire together. It is possible that "the Fallen" had a mental struggle over the years against his other evil/war persona (aka "the Fallen"), and ultimately won the mental battle. Only then did he take on the form of the Blackbird spy plane, whom we identify now as Jetfire.

    Come on, JetFire could only have taken on the earthly form of the Spybird in the 20th century (1964 was the 1st flight test of the Spybird SR71 built by Lockheed) because modern science and aviation pretty much didn't exist until then. So let me ask you boys (and girls possibl) out there, what was Jetfire's cybertronian form? What does it look like? Answer that and I'll be convinced.

    And still no one has come up with any solid reasoning to discredit my theory that the word "the Fallen" is used in the sense for someone who "fell from the sky", which to ancient Egyptians, can be a god, and not denote someone who's "the defeted one", that which most of you believe. Hence the original debate between you all whether "the Fallen" is a separate character or Megatron.

    And NO ONE every said with 100% certainty that "the Fallen" and Jetfire are the same character. Only the creators of the movie would know that. Heck they sometime even change the script as they shoot. We just have to have an open mind. And you're right, we'll know in 3 month's time. Peace.

    W.W.W.

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  103. SUPERION!

    On a more serious note, have any rumours of flying autobots been confirmed or denied?

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  104. On a more serious note, have any rumours of flying autobots been confirmed or denied?

    Hm... Jetfire? :P

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  105. all you offer are pointing out differences in their physical appearances.

    "Not everyone, some of you even have a good argument, but who cares, i know better than you"...

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  106. -I just wanted to politely point out---that is Scout class "Dirt Boss-

    Sorry i went on TFW2005.com and found the wrong image. Thanks!

    Repying to W.W.W. :

    You bring some good points and i see how the title could refer to Jetfires revenge on the decepticons however we will have to wait for the film or next trailer for confirmation.

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  107. So the movie would be about old geezer Jetfire who wants to revenge on Cons...? Woah, what a story!

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  108. Only just another version of the title LOL. I still think the old transformers in this film should have been Kup not Jetfire. Has anyone confirmed whether the Voyager sized jet is in the film?

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  109. Umm but the thing is we're offering evidence against you and you don't have any evidence that Jetfire and The Fallen are the same besides what you think are similarities.

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  110. if jetfire is the fallen how do you explain this http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attachment.php?do=fullview&attachmentid=15982
    i know it's the colouring book so it still gave some hints to the movie

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  111. "if jetfire is the fallen how do you explain this http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attachment.php?do=fullview&attachmentid=15982"

    as i said: the time portal (or the machine that blows up the sun?) was damaged and somehow "cloned" the robot

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  112. as i said: the time portal (or the machine that blows up the sun?) was damaged and somehow "cloned" the robot

    What time portal...? What machine that blows up the sun...? Can we just accept that they are two diferent characters, and stop making up this stupid theories...?

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  113. -What time portal...? What machine that blows up the sun...? Can we just accept that they are two diferent characters, and stop making up this stupid theories...?-

    The Machine hidden beneath the pyramid is said to blow up the sun (Coloring book) however some fans believe it will open a portal releasing the fallen (Original comics). I personally believe they are separate characters however i am open to suggestions as long as there feasible. Although why the designers seem to be making robots that look the same such as Bonechrusher and Rampage is anyone's guess. Hopefully the rest of the robots are more distinguishable

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  114. The Machine hidden beneath the pyramid is said to blow up the sun

    Ohhh... My bad, haven't really bother with reading the coloring book...xP Sorry.

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  115. JETFIRE AND FALLEN ARE TWO SEPERATE CHARACTERS, CONFIRMED BY MICHAEL BAY, ILM, & DREAMWORKS, SO I HOPE NOW EVERYONE WILL BE HAPPY.

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  116. JETFIRE AND FALLEN ARE TWO SEPERATE CHARACTERS, CONFIRMED BY MICHAEL BAY, ILM, & DREAMWORKS, SO I HOPE NOW EVERYONE WILL BE HAPPY.

    As much as i would want it to be true, i have to ask... Source please? :P

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  117. MICHAELBAY.COM

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  118. "The Fallen" and "Jetfire" are two separate character. Michael Bay would NOT make the title character of the movie a geriatric robot who is falling apart whenever he moves. Why would Bay, who wouldnt make Bumblebee into a VW Bug because the bug wasnt "bad ass" enough, turn the main villan of a movie like Transformers into a old geezer of a robot with a cane and loose parts everywhere? Besides, the beard doesnt show on the poster.

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  119. Bumblebee wasn't a bug because Volkswagon didn't want a product of theirs to be part of a "war movie".

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  120. ^^^ that's called covering your @$$

    Bay didn't want anything to do w/ V-dub and they were slightly offended.....did you ever hear of the term 'damage control'?? Look it up!!!

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  121. Okay, just saw the coloring book page again. I think I do see "the Fallen" in the background (is that supposed to be Optimus with a gigantic sword beside him?) and Jetfire in the foreground (fighting Megatron??).

    But I still don't see how a coloring book targeted at pre-school children is somehow supposed to reflect the complexity of the feature film's plot, which is targeted at people from teens to really middle-aged fans of TF. I have a colleague from my company over 50 who loved the original movie.

    So, as of right now, I hold on to my theory that "the Fallen" can still be the same robot as Jetfire. And that the title of the movie, either suggests he "fell from the sky" or he is "the fallen, old decepticon" seeking revenge on the younger decepticons after a mental struggle with his alter ego and eventually switches sides to the autobots, and becomes Jetfire as we know it.

    And, yes, if any of you can pinpoint the exact page where Bay says these two characters are separate, other than appearance-wise, please point it out. I am open to all theories until the movie comes out or if the plot is officially confirmed before then.

    W.W.W.

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  122. So some of you want us to offer any educated theory why "the Fallen" and Jetfire are the same? Here goes:

    - They are both ancient.
    - One has a cybertronian form (the Fallen) and the other has only an earth form (Jetfire the Blackbird spy plane)
    - Their glowing red eyes:) haha

    And to those of you still pointing out "the Fallen does not have A BEARD!" so he is the not the same as Jetfire. "Jetfire's toy and the Egyptian poster robot look different" so they are not the same robot. Come on, read the comments posted here and try to understand the info/facts they are based on first, then post your views.

    I gotta give credit to one Anonymous poster though, for saying that Jetfire might hold the key to defeating "the Fallen", because they are both ancient and could have faced in battles before.

    Good, that's one convincing comment on the separate Jetfire/Fallen characters based on existing info. I like that.

    W.W.W.

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  123. A german made vehicle doesnt want to be associated with war or violence. I guess WWII slips thegermans minds. I always found that statement humorous and ironic, but whatever. Their loss in sales and free advertisement.

    Did anyone else wonder if they blow the sun up... then there is no more energy for either Autobots or Decepticons in the immediate solar system. So why would this be anyone's plan? It sounds like if they did blow it up then the most robots would die unless they could warp with the portal to cybertron or elsewhere, but cybertron is a dead planet and you cant just random port to some unknown star and hope for energy. I hope they really dont want to blow it up... it sounds corny.

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  124. I hate to make this point but...
    My little boy had the colouring book from the first film and I remember looking at it with him as he scribbled all over it. It told some all out lies compared to what happened in the film. So please don't take it as canon. Nor should anyone take it as all untrue.

    Think of it as a possibility. Cos some of it, most probably is true.

    If I was making a colouring book for kids with robots in I would try to jam as much action into the pictures as I could to make it a more fun book. Invariably it would have little to do with the plot. So you can discount the pictures of the Fallen and Jetfire fighting.

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  125. They don't want to be related to the film precisely because of it's associations in WWII, I don't understand the logic either, but you got it mixed up.

    Also, I'm hoping on the BLOW UP THE SUN! plan, sounds cooler, but nether dimension prison breakout portal sounds pretty sweet too.

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  126. -Also, I'm hoping on the BLOW UP THE SUN! plan, sounds cooler, but nether dimension prison breakout portal sounds pretty sweet too.-

    The only problem with that in the film would be that we know they must fail as there is a sequel to this film. Hopefully we have prime showing Sam a vision of the future where the sun is blown up. (I`m counting on you Bay) :)

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  127. Jetfire is a real headscratcher, He has to have taken part in the Cybertronian wars (hence his Decepticon affiliation) and been part of the oldest Cybertronian order. Maybe he saw what Fallen did and deemed him too evil, sealing him in another dimension. But somehow came to be with the Decepticons(?), and left the planet after discovering Fallen was behind the creation of the Decepticons and corruption of Megatron. And just left the planet before the Allspark was launched, hiding on different planets and then wound up on earth. But how did Fallen wind up in Cairo? And what do Witwicky's symbols have to do with the storyline? I wrote a lot of stuff and wound up nowhere, this movie is gonna be complex and I'm fucking lovin' it!

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  128. Didn't some of you here saw the first movie?The VW Bug was in the movie next to the Camaro at Bobby D's.So whoever says VW doesn't want anything to do with a war movie is wrong.Besides,a VW Bug isn't an American boy's dreamcar,it's mostly a muscle car.Bay would never chose a bug over a muscle car,just like someone said above,it isn't badass enough,same goes for the Peterbilt torpedotruck for OP instead of a flatnosed truck.

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  129. "Hopefully we have prime showing Sam a vision of the future where the sun is blown up. (I`m counting on you Bay) :)"

    Oooh, maybe all the symbols Sam sees are really the revelation of the Prophecy of Unicron!

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  130. Replying to Elis Fierro
    -Oooh, maybe all the symbols Sam sees are really the revelation of the Prophecy of Unicron!-

    Good point maybe we will have an appearance of Unicron in the credits or hopefully in the third film. It could also explain why Captain witwicky saw the symbols as well. Although i suppose it is probably that he was affected by the Allspark and is starting to go mad.

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  131. Does anyone know if The Fallen has a real name in the comics?Or is it just "The Fallen".I can't imagine that when OP or Megs battles him he'll call him Fallen.And yes,I do believe Jetfire and The Fallen are 2 seperate characters.

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  132. Replying to Anonymous at 7:04AM:

    The name the Fallen is probably similar as to the way humans call The Devil by a singular name however refer to him by many different names depending on religion. In the film they will probably only refer to him by name when he is not around like Prime telling Sam and Mikela about Megatron.

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  133. Counterpunch3/22/2009 8:39 AM

    Scorp, why bother? isnt it obvious some of the posts here are just ****.

    told you before... dont speculate much on the storyline. didnt the regs tell you to take it easy with your essays ?

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  134. Replying to Counterpunch:
    If i know the answer to someones question i will tell them unfortunately i sometimes write long posts.

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  135. I don't mean to rush you Mr. Blog owner however can we at least have more news either from Slow news day or other stuff otherwise we get stuck all commenting on one topic.

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  136. Have you hearded that Kurtzman and Orci have asked Leonard Nimoy (same guy, who voiced Galvatron in 1986 movie) to the Fallen?

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  137. Have you hearded that Kurtzman and Orci have asked Leonard Nimoy (same guy, who voiced Galvatron in 1986 movie) to the Fallen?

    http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/roberto-orci---leonard-nimoy-frank-welker-in-the-running-for-the-role-of-voicing-the-fallen-167125/

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  138. I don't understand something. How can the movie be coming out in less than 3 months and they don't even have people for the voices yet?

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  139. That is a really good question mcat at 5:23 pm,
    maybe its another ploy by Bay and co. to keep us guessing!!!?

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  140. For how little dialog is spoken by the transformers I bet the vocals are done within a week's time for each actor.

    And whoever posted at 6:53am just because the bug was in the first movie doesnt mean they absolutely did not want their bug associated with any kind of violence or war. Know your facts kid.

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  141. Ok, I have been a big time hater that Bumblebee wasn't a VW Bug in the movies and a hater of Bay until I found out why (sorry Bay), so I can say this knowing why...

    Bay wanted Bumblebee to be the VW Bug in the movie, but VW (as stated before) didn't want a product of theirs to be part of a "war movie". (Seems with Audi, they change their mind a bit.)

    The VW bug (and Porsche for that matter) were in the movie, but only because they were not used as the main "characters". Imagine how much movies would cost if they had to pay for every type of vehicle that is seen in a moive. Parking lots would be filled with Chevy vehicles, or every single car on a highway scene would be a Chevy.

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  142. ?? Imagine how much movies would cost if they had to pay for every type of vehicle that is seen in a movie?

    It's the car manufacturers that have to pay the studios and movie producers to place their products or brand image in the movie. It's called product placement advertising. It wouldn't make the movies more expensive, it just means the investors of the movie recoup their money faster with all that product placement.

    W.W.W.

    Of course the automakers don't always have to pay cash up front for a product placement ad, they can grant the use of or donate vehicles to be shot in the movie. It just depends on the deal they strike with the moviemakers.

    VW was not paid, nor did they have to pay the moviemakers to have their cars appeared in the first TF movie. Bay simply chose to have a VW Bug to pay homage to the classic character. Also he smashed the door of the VW Bug because GM invested their money and vehicles into the film, and VW would not.

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  143. If you know that the fallen is NOT jettfireDo NOT PUT this link ino your computer, however if you believe the hoax , this is the proof
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f7/RickRoll.png

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