Sunday, September 14, 2008

Jetfire, TF Returns and Other Rumors

Various new rumors have popped up regarding Transformers 2. Most strike me as BS or just re-iterating current theories that are already out there.

The first from TFW2005 says:
TFW2005 has received confirmation from the TFW TF2 Insider that Jetfire will be an Autobot in the upcoming sequel Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen. It could be that the Decepticon symbols previously reported to be on the SR-71 Blackbird were part of Michael Bay's misinformation campaign? Or is it a plot twist?
To which I want to say "duh." That Jetfire will be an Autobot is nearly a foregone conclusion if you look at the character's G1 history. Regardless of incarnation in comics or animation, Jetfire started as a Decepticon but became an Autobot when he realized their goal was not to improve Cybertron but subjugate it. In some versions, he was once Starscream's best friend. Jetfire's character arc is nearly perfect for a 2 hour movie. So yeah, Jetfire probably is introduced as a Decepticon but by movie's end will be an Autobot.

I still maintain that no misinformation campaign exists. At most the campaign is to let us think what we want and confirm or deny nothing. Our imagination is all the campaigning they need.

From Unicron.com (which they pulled until find independent sources to confirm):
1. How do I know if there making 5 movies? The whole crew signed a contract saying they will make 3 installments. Shia also said he will make 2 more after 3 because he liked Transformers when he was young.
2. What’s up with the Scorponok (image)? He will get upgrades. You will see his robot mode. His robot mode is the same as the toy line.
3. The 7 Constructicons will make "Devastator"
4. What will be the replacement name for Bonecrusher of the Constructicons? (Since he died) Starscream has special plans for that dead body. (Notice in the movie, his body wasn't on the cargo carrier.
5. What’s up with the Arcee bikes? I’ll give you a hint. The special people in Transformers "Armada"
6. How the heck will they explain a female Transformer? Simple. A malfunction.
7. I wonder who the Corvette is? Another hint. G1 color: Blue
8. Jazz's return? You'll never see it coming.
9. If they could afford money to get the world’s largest dump truck that's 2 stories high as "Long Haul", then how come they couldn't afford an Aircraft Carrier? We are saving the best for last.
10. When we first thought of Soundwave being in the second movie, we designed him to be the comedian of the group. He would play music and his big HD speakers would come out of his shoulder to annoy Starscream. The songs we thought of were Caramelldansen. Also some Rock songs from AC/DC and Kiss. Then Starscream would tell him to shut up. To bad they cancelled the idea. If you asked me, I think they should have kept it.
To take them in order:
1. Probably true in the sense of "we will keep making them as long as they make money" as is the case with all franchises. It is common practice to sign up actors for three movies and then renegotiate after that. See Spider-Man for examples. I seriously doubt that plans have gone past the "sure why not" phase.
2. Beats me. Likely Scorponok will be in the sequel. Shooting in Egypt and Holloman confirm at least some desert sequences. Introducing his robot mode makes sense.
3. Just repeating the rumor. While I hope true, as explained here, I have serious doubts on it.
4. Could be true, who knows. Much like Jazz though, I just don't see Bay and company wasting screen time treading old territory when they can use that same time to introduce new characters and Transformers mythology.
5. Not a clue what that means.
6. Sure why not. Even easier explanation - don't bother to explain it. People will either accept it or won't. It’s a case where too much information is worse then no information.
7. They are saying that the Corvette is Tracks. Could be true. Could be any number of other Autobots. I get the feeling that "Stinger" is a placeholder name and a final name, voice casting, and personality will be worked out in post production.
8. See 4.
9. Bay said he liked the idea of a Transforming Aircraft Carrier. He probably also realized that having a fight with an aircraft carrier considering most Autobots don't fly (and I assume don't swim) would probably look a bit silly. Not holding my breath on this one.
10. I could see Bay and others pitching this idea (along this hundreds of other ideas like the aircraft carrier). I can also see Orci and Kurtzman laughing at it and then going "no, no, no, bad idea. Nevermind the fans would freak and not in a good way." It more then likely was just an idea tossed out during a planning session and didn't get much further.

There is my take on all this, feel free to add yours (without insults, etc) in the comments.

43 comments:

  1. "6. How the heck will they explain a female Transformer? Simple. A malfunction."

    What? Who explained how / why the autobots were all male? Why not have a female?

    I also don't agree with a lot of those

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  2. "5. What’s up with the Arcee bikes? I’ll give you a hint. The special people in Transformers "Armada"

    Special people from Armada? They couldn't mean the minicons?
    It does sound rather absurd though.

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  3. duh it has too be those 3 minicons those kids ride on in armada they all convert together to one big robots thats what arcee does

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  4. "1. How do I know if there making 5 movies? The whole crew signed a contract saying they will make 3 installments."

    -- I sincerely hope they make more than 3 movies. The more the better, TF movies are something i'll never get tired of.



    "3. The 7 Constructicons will make "Devastator" "

    -- Although i feel this is unlikely, there's a part of me hoping it to be true.

    I would really like to see a huge combiner of some sort, whether it be Constructicons, Stunticons or Bayticons for that matter.

    Devastator was my favourite G1 character, and it would be a wet dream to see him on the big screen.

    Or perhaps Bay will go with an all-new combiner team. Can't wait to find out.

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  5. some of them are rather interesting... i know soundwave would be a lil out of character if they stayed with the idea, but i'd be happy if he got some kick out of annoying screamer lol

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  7. NOW I GET IT,THAT COVETTE CAR IS ULTRA MAGNUS..HINT G1 COLOR BLUE..ULTRA MAGNUS IS COLOR BLUE.THERE'S NO OTHER AUTOBOT COLOR BLUE IN THE G1,ONLY ULTRA MAGNUS.

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  8. for 5 , probably mini-cons

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  9. why not Blurr ?

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  10. My thoughts...
    1. Who knows...
    2. *Cough* Scorpion = Robot Mode Helicopter Engine = Alternate Mode...
    3. ...No comment...
    4. Pull a G1 Starscream...
    5. Minicons? Ok sure...
    6. Who says Arcee is female...?
    7. Blurr? Doubt it...
    8. My gawd he's dead get over it.
    9. Aircraft carrier = Too big, not enough flying autobots... What about Long Haul? I couldn't understand that...
    10. ...0_o...

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  11. Corvette bots is not tracks its Smokescreen =P

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  12. i think its Blurr remember that image with the Robot that had wheels instead of feet ...

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  13. About the Aircraft Carrier:

    If you consider the fact that the Decepticons will have Devastator aka the constructicons, you will need an Autobot of similar size to take him on, since doing Omega Supreme(rocket base) would not be possible an aircraft carrier(Broadside?) would be a viable solution. I believe there are several aircrat carriers as displays and mothballed plus how hard is it to get multiple shots of a modern flattop? most of the work would be CGI anyway and you just need the shots of one either in dock or near the shore and the artist take it from there. Just a thought on the idea.

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  14. Counterpunch9/14/2008 8:54 AM

    ^ To Anonymous above me:-

    Yep. I said the same thing at the ' Devastator link' regarding having Broadside as the aircraft carrier.

    And include in the Aerialbots as well so it would be awesome to see them take off from the carrier to take down Devastator.

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  15. I TOLD YOU IT WAS BLURR!!!. grr...

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  16. Scorponok, Bonecrusher and Jazz won't be back. Devastator is a silly idea and I really hope they don't do it as it would force the movie to have WAAAAAAAAAAAAY too many Transformers for there to be anything even resembling a story.
    The aircraft carrier is equally stupid, it's just too big. I doubt it will happen until Bay gets tired and someone else starts directing these movies.

    On a final note, I doubt anything that the OP said is true just based on his utter lack of understanding of the English language. He didn't make the common mistakes that someone who doesn't speak english natively uses, he made the kind of mistakes an 8 year old makes. I doubt someone intelligent enough to get a job on a Bay set would do that.

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  17. Holy shit .. Devastator, Aerialbots, a transforming aircraft carrier!

    If all that made it into the movie, i might probably watch it 20 times in the cinema.

    I know its highly unlikely any of those will be in ROTF (i'm taking constructicon rumours with a pinch of salt until i see confirmation) .. but it would be a dream come true if they actually made it into the film.

    Keeping fingers crossed at least one large combiner will make an appearance.

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  18. might need the constructicons to take down the fallen how big is he going to be???

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  19. 2.What’s up with the Scorponok? He will get upgrades. You will see his robot mode. His robot mode is the same as the toy line.

    ANSWER (From Orci himself): The scorpion IS his robot mode. His alt-mode is Blackout's Engine. Kind of like G1 Soundwave's cassettes.

    8. Jazz's return? You'll never see it coming.

    Orci confirmed he wont be returning.; Not even in flashbacks.

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  20. "2.What’s up with the Scorponok? He will get upgrades. You will see his robot mode. His robot mode is the same as the toy line.

    ANSWER (From Orci himself): The scorpion IS his robot mode. His alt-mode is Blackout's Engine. Kind of like G1 Soundwave's cassettes."

    How did he fly around and get to Mission City while Scorponok was still in the desert?

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  21. selective realims9/14/2008 2:17 PM

    Soundwave being an annoying comedian is just retarded. How that idea progressed as far as it did is disturbing.

    There are several G-1 blue colored Autobots.

    1. Trax
    2. Skids
    3. Blurr

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  22. @anonymous: What? Devastator a silly idea? Don't be silly yourself!
    Devastator in the movie would ensure massive CGI effects by ILM on a giant size. Devastator would be huge, able to destroy a city on his own, an unstoppable force. The effects would be similar to those of the Cloverfield monster scale wise.
    So, if that's a silly idea for you... action sequences with a giant robot alien lifeform taking down skyscrapers and throwing the around, killing thousands of people like they were little puppets for it... yeah, sure.. silly sci-fi action scenes, uh ?

    I really hope that Devastator has been selected by Bay as the main villain character in the movie because that would ensure the Megatron/Decepticons revenge to be massive, unstoppable and putting the Autobots and military in a struggle like Hell arrived on Earth (with no need for the practically unknown character of the Fallen from the comics...)

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  23. i thin the corvette is tracks i mean go too wikipedia and see his motto

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  24. How did he fly around and get to Mission City while Scorponok was still in the desert?

    He regenerated the engine using his Allspark-given metal. :p

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  25. Counterpunch9/14/2008 6:13 PM

    And I will say it again... Hope Mr. Bay have the Aerialbots as the countermeasure to take out Devastator.

    As jet fighters the 5 of them Aerialbots shall be huge in robot form. Moreover as Superion!

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  26. Thanks counterpunch! glad to see your on the same page with me. I agree maybe devastator is there to take down the fallen, but again there have been plenty of chances for Bays photographers and CGI guys to get photos of a flattop(Philly, New York, & LA) and like I said it would have to 98% CGI all you really need are a few good shots of the carrier. quick example: fight near a dock, devastator combines, Prime calls for help and the carrier near the dock transforms into(Broadside) and the big guys duke it out. It would also make sense for a large transformers to hide as a carrier in port vs being a city? rocket base?, factory? nah a carrier would be a perfect alt. mode. for a big bot.

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  27. One thing I forgot to mention about Jetfire, someone may have caught this earlier but remember in some of the earliest news about the movie there was mention of an Autobot spy among the Decepticons. Could Jetfire be that spy??

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  28. Counterpunch9/14/2008 8:42 PM

    ^ to person above me.

    Interesting notion. I told my bud that the Autobot spy amongst the Deceps could be ' Barricade' due to him being the only 'car' alt mode.

    Remember Counterpunch? well, he was the Autobot spy in their ranks. Barricade could be the film version of him.

    Or, based on the recent 'Starscream' continuity comic it could be Wreckage.

    Who knows.

    But my 2 cents worth is on Barricade.

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  29. YA ARE ALL STUPID ABOUT THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER WELL SUM ARE IT WAY TOO BIG JUST THOUHT OF THIS

    HOW WOULD BIG ASS POD SHAP TRANSFORMER HIT THE WATER WITH OUT BEING NOTICE SCAN A AIRCRAFT CARRIER HE WOULD HIT THE WARTER OR LAND AND IT WOULD BE A MASSIVE HOLE ON LAND OR A TITTLE WAVE IN THE OCEAN AND IT ANT LIKE IT A CAR WAR U CAN DRIVE AROUND PEOPLE ARE GONA WONDER HOW DID ANOTHER AIR CRAFT CARRIER JUST SHOW UP IN THE OCEAN AND HE CANT JUST TAKE DOWN THE ORIGNAL ONE WITH OUT PEOPLE KNOWING GET WHAT IM SAYIN SO IT STUPID

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  30. Would someone like to tell me why Barricade would be an Autobot spy but still try to kill Sam, Mikaela, and Bumblebee, and house a mini-bot who tried and succeeded in killing a few people, (Frenzy?)

    Barricade as an Autobot is all shades of stupid... If he is an Autobot, I will call Micheal Bay personally and ask him "WTF?"

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  31. One point to remember the goverment knows of the transformers existence, so most Autobots landing now would probably go to pre-arranged landing sites. As for a large Transformer a landing site in the water would be ideal, and no doubt he would have a braking system that would slow him before he would cause massive damage with his landing. To add the idea of him being a carrier you would have him land near a Pacific island or atoll where there are no people, he would be met by a Carrier battle group like the one that disposed of the decepticon bodies at the end of the movie, he would then scan a carrier and follow the group home to a Navy Yard, a few phony numbers, and transfer papers and he can sit in a mothball dock in stasis until needed. To keep people off of his deck you would post toxic waste hazard signs or similar warning signs. How many people out there would know how carriers are in mothballs?? Not to far fetched? and to answer the thought about landings, how did the original decepticons come to earth without causing an incident?
    Like I said it could work, will Bay use it, hopefully, I would love to see it, but if he does not I won't be any less excited about the movie.

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  32. 7) Blurr makes sense. Look at the animated version of him, he looks much like the corvette that has been seen on scene for Transformers: Revenge of the fallen.

    http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Blurr_(Animated)

    though the color is not right, look at Ironhide and Ratchet, they were not the right colors in reference to any other series.

    Just putting it out there, the fact that he has wheels for feet in the photo just points more towards the theory of him being blurr (this would imply that he likes to go as fast as possible (as does blurr) he never slows down.

    it doesn't matter who he is, We're still all going to see the movie.

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  33. "YA ARE ALL STUPID ABOUT THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER WELL SUM ARE IT WAY TOO BIG JUST THOUHT OF THIS

    HOW WOULD BIG ASS POD SHAP TRANSFORMER HIT THE WATER WITH OUT BEING NOTICE SCAN A AIRCRAFT CARRIER HE WOULD HIT THE WARTER OR LAND AND IT WOULD BE A MASSIVE HOLE ON LAND OR A TITTLE WAVE IN THE OCEAN AND IT ANT LIKE IT A CAR WAR U CAN DRIVE AROUND PEOPLE ARE GONA WONDER HOW DID ANOTHER AIR CRAFT CARRIER JUST SHOW UP IN THE OCEAN AND HE CANT JUST TAKE DOWN THE ORIGNAL ONE WITH OUT PEOPLE KNOWING GET WHAT IM SAYIN SO IT STUPID"


    -- After reading your post, it's evident the stupid one is you.

    Only retards post in all caps with no punctuation.

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  34. Just a quick tip to clarify why they keep calling the silver Centennial vette car "Stinger".
    It's just a call sign during filming,
    "Stinger" refers to "Stingray" which is a model name for certain corvettes, like in the 60's. But the fact that it is a corvette(ish) vehicle, does not necessarily mean it is Tracks, could be any car based Autobot. In G1..Ironhide was not a truck, ratchet was not a hummer, Bumblebee was not a Camaro...:)

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  35. Its been confirmed that the trailer of tf2 is going to be before the new star trek movie. There might be a teaser before Shia's new movie eagle eye but theres no confirmation on that. I saw this info on G4tv.com by the way.

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  36. Would someone like to tell me why Barricade would be an Autobot spy but still try to kill Sam, Mikaela, and Bumblebee, and house a mini-bot who tried and succeeded in killing a few people, (Frenzy?)

    Barricade as an Autobot is all shades of stupid... If he is an Autobot, I will call Micheal Bay personally and ask him "WTF?"


    Same reason why Darth Vader killed lots of people but still became a blue ghost at the end of Return of the Jedi: Redemption. :)

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  37. "Would someone like to tell me why Barricade would be an Autobot spy but still try to kill Sam, Mikaela, and Bumblebee, and house a mini-bot who tried and succeeded in killing a few people, (Frenzy?)"

    Maybe he took his job a bit too seriously ;-)

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  38. most interestingly, look over on tfw2005.com at the December 08 idw comic releases...multiple suggestions as to who the fallen is and one that's not been put forward before anywhere...

    The fallen = wreckage

    He was the decepticon brought down by humans in Afghan in the movie preview comic...or so we're led to believe. It'd make sense for the revenge to be his... and he would beca new MOVIE character... why else would they release a comic entitled Revenge of the Fallen with Wreckage on the front?? Perhaps his revenge will be against the Decepticons and Starscream for leaving him behind. He could be the one who defects to the Autobots... like Scavenger did in Armada...

    Just a thought...

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  39. the corvette is definitely ultra magnus...

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  40. At the Darth Vader comment: Ugh. Are you serious? I don't know shit about SW, never liked it, but this is not a good thing, even if it happened before! ¬_¬

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  41. umm. mini-bots? please, no. there where some females in G1, why not have them? I mean, they where only there once but they still existed.
    As for the corvette, i am begging it not to Ultra Magnus. He needs to be something bigger.

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  42. 3. Devastator would be nice to have in the movie but without an Autobot big enough to battle him or the Dinobots its kinda pointless unless they plan on the Autobots to fail in any upcoming movie, the Autobots couldn't take him down in the cartoons by there self. Why ruin it for true Transformers fans.

    5. Minicons...cool idea but don't see a reason for them.

    6. They didn't need to explain female Autobots in the cartoons. Why should they have to now. I don't see a problem with having a female bot. It would make them look like they really had feelings then just programmed and have A.I. Only movie fanboys would need a reason for something like that. It would be cool if they brought Arcee and Elita One(Optimus Prime "girlfriend" in the G1 cartoon)

    8. Jazz is pointless to bring back. He's dead let him rest in pieces

    10. Soundwave would be awesome to bring into the movie as a spy, nothing more nothing less. He could get information on the Autobots and there next move and use Laserbeak or one of the other mini-bots to report back with the info.

    I'm 23 and a true transformers fan not just some movie fanboy. I have liked transformers since I was little and watched my first episode. I have even watched the newer cartoons just because I'm a big fan. Saying stuff needs a reason for something takes the fun out of this. Good thing none of you movie fanboys are directing these movies or you guys would really trash this series and trash the name by making horrible movies.

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  43. It makes me happy that I can still earn some cheap 9Dragons gold.

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