Monday, February 02, 2009

A New Twist on Fallen Concept? (Update 2)

A new post LS2.com (via TFormers) adds an interesting twist to what "The Fallen" may be in the title Transformers Revenge of the Fallen. Currently there are two camps, either it’s a brand new character named "The Fallen" based on a comic book concept from a few years or it is symbolic naming for the return of Megatron (possibly renamed to Galvatron).

According to "-=boM=-", there now might be another potential meaning. BoM was apparently a military extra on the set when filming occurred at Holloman Air Force Base and White Sands in New Mexico around October. A claim supported by pictures from the set. Big spoiler warning for below and note this is completely unverified.

First post by -=boM=-:
"Can't wait...i'm in it as an extra. I am a Navy Seal doing a battle scene against the Decepticons. I filmed out at White Sands and on Hollomans flight line. Filmed for 4 days and had a blast. Tons of pics on my Facebook."
Follow up reply:
I had to chase a bunch of villagers out of the area because the Decepticons were attacking, then had to protect Optimus Prime's body. There were a shitload of us out there.

The food and catering was awesome. A lot of downtime. Just like a deployment.

I did an interview for the DVD. We will see if that is on it too. The asked me a bunch of questions about the military. The autobots are behind me on top of a sand dune. I did a GM plug. They liked that.

Micheal Bay loves the military. I got to speak with him very briefly. He gets so angry on set at the actors but doesn't dare yell or demean the military. It was a trip. He said something to me like do you want a job as a DA (Directors Assistant), I said hell yeah. He was getting pissed at his DA. His DA was like trust me you dont want this job.

I have two closeup shots if they do decide to put them in the movie. One was walking with the camera on the tracks going along with me but at a slower pace. The camera was right on the side of my face following me but at a slower rate. There were two others behind me. The other close up was while I was defending from a corner of a building on one knee. The boom camera went from the ground to over head of us all. I was up front in the scene. The camera came up to my face then began to ascend over the area. It was pretty cool.

Another scene was Optimus getting dropped off by a chinook. I had to run up to the area then stop as Optimus was getting dropped.

Another was with Josh and Tyrese when they argue with The President on the flightline. I am in the background.

As much time as I spent filming (9-10 hours a day for 4 days) I hope I am seen at least once. Hell I'll be happy to be on teh DVD.
If the post above is true then apparently Optimus Prime may possibly fall fighting the Decepticons and maybe return seeking revenge on them. The only problem I have with this idea is "revenge" would be very un-Optimus Prime like. I am inclined to dismiss this idea. However, Prime dying could have possibilities, or it simply could be Prime gets severely injured (commercial shows a possible beat down) and is unconscious requiring an escort during recovery.

Now to support that boM was an extra (but not the Prime plot point), he posted a HUGE gallery of pictures from the set that includes pictures of most of the Autobot vehicle cast including Ratchet, who has been missing from most of the sets leading to speculation that his character dies. Below are just 12 pictures out of 117 that he posted so be sure to go here to view them all.

Images removed per demand from Paramount Pictures.

Update: As read abobe, the Holloman set pics are getting pulled from the web by Paramount. My best guess is the pictures revealed a plot point since the vehicles have been known for a while now and the set itself was featured on ET and Insider. My best, mostly uneducated guess, for the reason behind the cease and desist is the shot of Josh Duhamel, Shia and Megan. In it Josh and Megan's body language seems to be of anguish or concern over a prone Sam, who is wearing a costume that is the same as the burnt and bloody costume from August. I guess this set is where Shia received those injuries for the film.

Update 2: To add fire to the above, according to the Latino Review, boM had initially used the word "corpse" instead of "body" when talking about Optimus. The change was made when a poster noted that they never actually referred to him as dead. Thanks to Ian and Chris for the info.

94 comments:

  1. OK, maybe someone with more Transformers knowledge can help me out on this one. I noticed looking threw all this guys pics, and have seen in other pics, that Ironhide is the only autobot with a NEST license plate.

    Also what roles do the Can-Am Spyders play in this? or are they just NEST crew vehicles?

    And in closing lol, i highly doubt Prime will get killed off. Unless a 3rd movie was already in the works to bring him back. But we can see in the trailer that he does get his ass kicked again.

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  2. i'm guessing thats sam laying on the blanket between Lennox and Michaela???.....first post...BooYa!!!!

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  3. damn it!!!!! lol

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  4. "And in closing lol, i highly doubt Prime will get killed off. Unless a 3rd movie was already in the works to bring him back. But we can see in the trailer that he does get his ass kicked again."

    do not grieve. soon he will be one with the matrix...

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  5. i dont think they would dare kill off prime. again. we know that there's goning to be a 3rd movie and that cullen signed on for all three, so if he does die, hell be back.
    maybe theyre protecting him, not just his body. back up maybe.

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  6. Ok .. and if they edit the Tagline in "Return of the Fallen"? lol, come on... i don't think, that "The Fallen" is Prime. Its like the thing with the SW Epi VI title.. there was also the "revenge of the jedis" title.

    I think, there will be the new character "The Fallen".. its a great plot with the mythology. (just one problem: no evidence in the teaser...)

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  7. Interested indeed but I may be missing something though. What happens here happens when in the movie? Is this how the movie opens up or is this how the movie closes? That will make the big difference. Maybe Prime is taken out to the brink of death in the beginning and inacts his revenge later? That doesn't sound like Prime though, that's the problem.

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  8. Calling it now: prime gets the shit kicked out of him and has to merge with jetfire (who has just learned the error of his ways and become an autobot) to survive.

    who's with me

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  9. He added later he's not a SEAL, btw. AF.

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  10. Was that blood?

    Referring back to the commercial, when Mr. Prime gets his face handed to him with whoever gave him that nasty sucker-punch, was that a spurt of magenta...blood? I mean, sure, he'll get his butt kicked, but I doubt he'll just keel over like that, you know?

    ...at least I hope he doesn't keel. D:

    Hm. Blood.

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  11. What interests me the most is seeing the ice cream truck, the Trax and the Spark together. Up until now, the speculation was that the Twins start off the movie as the ice cream truck, then reformat into new alt modes. These pics would seem to indicate otherwise. Also, where are the Arcee bikes?

    Another thing I've noticed is that we've never seen pics of the Saab Aero-X that was rumored to be Wheeljack. I guess we'll just have to wait until the 3rd movie for that character.

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  12. About Ratchet dying, maybe if this optimus being down is true, maybe ratchet is working on prime, or something like that, he is the medical officer, he may have to stay back at base.

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  13. I guess, that's why we don't see much of Ratchet. The autobots will suffer a lot in this movie and our fav medic will be busy.

    I don't think Prime will die. He'll be severely injured, leaving the others on the brink of hopelessness and allowing them to take the spotlight for a while. I mean that's how many movie stories are. It has to get worse before it gets better.

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  14. White Sands is in New Mexico not Arizona

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  15. Anon said: "What interests me the most is seeing the ice cream truck, the Trax and the Spark together. Up until now, the speculation was that the Twins start off the movie as the ice cream truck, then reformat into new alt modes. These pics would seem to indicate otherwise."

    I still think the ice cream truck is for misinformation and just there to throw the fans off the scent!

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  16. So.....Exactly HOW jacked up do you guys think Sam will get in this movie??...like bandages jacked up??? or maybe temporary wheelchair jacked up??? dunno.....

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  17. "i'm guessing thats sam laying on the blanket between Lennox and Michaela?"

    Sure looks like it. It's hard to tell, but I'm guessing wherever Sam goes, his piece of ass will be right behind him.
    I just noticed how everyone in the photo has their heads lowered, like they're mourning his death or something ...
    Good. One less human to cockblock the Transformers. :)

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  18. LMFAO@^^^....i thought it...you said it...


    maybe prime gets messed up...sam gets messed up...michaela was all hysterical and what not in the trailer...looks like things might get pretty "hairy" in this flick guys!!!!!!!!!

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  19. Do people really need explaining on this Fallen is also another word for defeat. Who where the ones defeated in the first movie? The Decepticons. What do they want Revenge!
    Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen
    (Defeated)
    (Decepticons)
    pick which anyone you like means the same thing

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  20. IF Prime AND Sam get beat down...that means that AT LEAST one other Autobot HAS to die..if not more...then you add the probable high decepticon body count (maybe mostly "drones"..maybe not)
    Carnage=Awesome!!! GO Bay GO!!!

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  21. ...the camaro in the photos isn't 2010 concept ... and I can't find any info about it ...

    2010 concept:

    http://www.edmunds.com/media/il/features/general/transformers.camaro/transformers.camaro.340.jpg

    IN SET car:

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_G96gxvrHqrE/SYeCTFw8URI/AAAAAAAAE8c/uIrYzqjeNt8/s1600-h/TF2HollomanWhiteSandsSet3.jpg

    2012 model?

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  22. To my surprise, the Arcee bikes are actually on set. They're under the tarp next to the Corvette concept car here:

    http://tformers.net/g/albums/10896/n713128624_1558151_3189.jpg

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  23. Snortpocket! you had my thoughts, and I was reading the posts to see if someone thought of it. I agree with your Theroy on the Prime and Jetfire. Am I crazy but was Jetfire(Skyfire) a scientist/geologist? Also he had medical training?

    Just sees logical that he will help prime. He was Starscreems BEST friend, Before Starscreem turned evil. I bet he sees Prime getting his head beat in and gets pissed off.

    He then decides to pull a Darth Vader and Turn on Starscreem and Megs, or the fallen, or devistator, and goes fully Bolistic on their ass with prime.

    Just and Idea.

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  24. dude Nice eyes! Skowl on the Bikes, Maybe they are there because of the Props being togeather, but, this fight in Egypt seems to have the whole thing coming down to this fight.

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  25. Hey How many of you guys from the Long Beach, Cali Area? Since we have all been here this long, we all get togeather and See this midnight show? Heck I cant get anyone I know to go, but I bet us crazy nut cakes would all show up and enjoy this.

    anyone up for it? Could be a group of 30 people at some point.

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  26. Dude, if Bay kills off Prime he will lose the core fanbase (thereby negating a 3rd movie) and go down in history as the worst director/biggest idiot ever.

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  27. Yeah...posting in response to this:

    "Dude, if Bay kills off Prime he will lose the core fanbase (thereby negating a 3rd movie) and go down in history as the worst director/biggest idiot ever."

    Yeah, I agree...it'll be a repeat of the 86 animated film where Hot Rod became Rodimus Prime...not that I hate Rodimus Prime (I actually always felt sorry for the guy) but it'll be a BAD move if Bay decides to go that way and not ressurect Optimus.

    Have we had a list of speculative/confirmed Bots and Cons yet? I remember hearing Wheeljack was in this but I haven't heard anything SINCE I heard the rumors that Wheeljack was in it.

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  28. IM THINKING SABOUT THIS MORE AND MORE AND IT HITS ME. MABYE JETFIRE IS "THE FALLEN" HES OLD AND BROKEN UP IN SOME AMERICAN MUESEM MAYBE HE WANTS TO DO A LIL DAMAGE?

    JUST A THOUGHT


    I PROMISE IM FIXING THIS CAPS ISSUE

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  29. I hope that god damn ice cream truck gets the shit kicked out of him. I mean we killed Jazz and is that guy live ill be ticked. I wanna see Devasator bust a few fools though.

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  30. Shia's signed on for the 3rd movie too. If Prime dies in this movie, I would not be remotely shocked if they brought him back for the third (and they better if that happens!!). But if Sam dies, I don't see them bringing him back. That would DEFINITELY be pushing it.

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  31. heard it here first...ice cream truck is ULTRA MAGNUS!

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  32. AGREE WHIT TOMMY G ...

    jetfire IS the fallen, and of course he wants revenge ...

    he WAS a decepticon, and now all he wants is to kill every one of'em ...

    I like this theory; very dramatic...mmh...TOO dramatic and deep for Bay...

    the fight we're waiting for:

    http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm306/27poker/dvsttrvsjtfr.jpg


    JETFIRE = THE FALLEN: 2 votes

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  33. i read optimus prime may get a fusion transform with another autobot, not sure about that

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  34. Prime dead? HELL NAH!!! If that happens then I'm gonna be one pissed dude besides Bay and co. know that Optimus is the most liked character in the movie and if he kills him off then it's just shit!!! We know that Sam gets the shit kicked out of him probably a couple of times I mean that is obvious in the teaser trailer but I def dont think he dies..... The crap about Optimus dieing just needs to quit b/c that is rediculous....

    FUCK MEGATRON!!!!

    AUTOBOTS ROLLOUT!!!!!

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  35. this is a response to
    "...the camaro in the photos isn't 2010 concept ... and I can't find any info about it ...

    2012 model?"

    the camaro shown in the photos is the 2010 V6 Camaro
    its just been modified for the movie to make it a one of a kind
    you can see the prototype here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLIkD0ftCFo

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  36. if Optimus prime dies it wouldn't be a surprise its not like it hasn't happened before, in the 80's Transformers movie he dies along with many other well known Transformers were killed autobots and decepticons like two of my favorites Ironhide and Starscream if you newcomers dont believe me watch it yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg6hgmy-tHA (primes death)
    but he wasnt gone for good.

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  37. razgriz is right about the camaro

    it's simply a 2010 camaro with a new body kit.

    Rumors are that its the future Z28 kit. or something like that lol.

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  38. "if you newcomers dont believe me watch it yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg6hgmy-tHA (primes death)"

    thanks dude this is new and fascinating

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  39. I'm still not very sure about the spark and trax being the icecream truck. There would definitely be a mass issue there if those two cars used to be combined as an ice cream truck. It just doesn't jive well with me...

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  40. hey guys i think megs and The Fallen are both in the movie. I will start with the fallen. Take a look at this picture:

    http://flickr.com/photos/7591398@N04/3134920420/in/pool-transformersmovie

    its megatron KNEELING to a face. Now if you go look back at the teaser poster guess what. OH MY GOSH THE FACES LOOK ALIKE. So, heres my theory sort of. Megatron comes back by a loyal decepticon, maybe Soundwave, and then Megatron goes to serve the fallen. If Megatron really was the main villain in this movie, i dont think he would be kneeling to a face that looks very similar to the OFFICIAL teaser poster am i right?

    and to add on to what i said. to those of you who think the teaser poster is just the deceppticon symbol i have a thoery about that also. take a look at this outlined picture thingy:

    http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3412/3219218841_97e0c35dcc_o.png

    ok so The Fallen was an entity transofrmer right? And he was CLEARLY not an autobot. So, what if the decepticon symbol was made in hsi favor? What if the decepticons just made their logo from his face? THE FACE OF EVIL I MIGHT ADD!

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  41. I love this blog but I think this is one fot he worst topics posted on here, there is no way this is a possibility, Optimus Prime does not seek revenge, it is not what he is about, The poster who mentioned being in a scene just screwed up his words, he probably was shooting right behind Optimus Prime's body, not corpse, plus they do not have a fake corpse, it's all CGI

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  42. Why are we still debating if Fallen is a character or not in this movie? People are going as far now as to say Prime is the Fallen? Give me a fucking break. The Fallen is a character. The original Decepticon buried underneath a pyramid in Egypt and his robot mode resembles that of the Egyptian God Anubis. I know this for 100% fact and have known it for the last month. Yet some people still want to throw silly ass ideas around thinking Fallen has some hidden meaning.

    Also, a comment on the ICE CREAM TRUCK. It's not Mudflap and Skids combined. It's actually a Decepticon. The logo is actually on the side under the window in the rectangular section.

    Oh and one last thing. Megatron is DEFINITELY in the movie. Period.

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  43. ok guyzzz... tell me all this smartasses who think that the fallen is not a seperate charecter.

    WHY WOULD THEY RELEASE A POSTER of summ random pharoh transformer.. obiviously it can't be a any of the normal decepticons but the actual FALLEN.. from the comicss

    :)

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  44. I highly doubt this is the scene of Optimus's death, the background of the trailer suggests a wooded area. I would not be surprised if Ratchet dies here. I just hope to god that Trax and Beat don't come from that Ice Cream Truck, not cool. I'm also not getting my hopes up about Arcee being a combiner. It just doesn't fit. I'm fine with Devastator as a combiner but Arcee!? Just, no. Best be Arcee, Elita One and Nightbird (even if she was never a Transformer in the first place). I also hope those Tricycles and Hummers are Autobots, but that's not very likely.

    @haggenz
    That was not blood, it was part of his chest armor.

    @Skowl
    He found the fucking Autobot Bikes!

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  45. Everyone is forgetting one basic construct of a story, one essential thing: MOTIVE! What is the motive!? '07 Movie: Allspark; '86 Movie: Matrix. What is everyone looking for? I can't just be Revenge (makes for bad story), there must be other things at work here! and How does the Fallen fit in!?

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  46. Does this not simply mean Prime is being dropped off by the chinook in truck mode?? We know the film takes place across a few different countries and I doubt Prime would get the ferry across. I don't think there's anything to read into this about Prime being the one taking revenge... like you said, it's not in his character.

    I think the biggest clue that 'revenge' indicates to a Decepticon or 'baddie' is the official poster revealed... that was definately a 'bad guys' mug-shot.

    How else are the autobots supposed to move from country to country (before Jetfire arrives that is)?!?!

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  47. It's easy, it mirrors early religion and war on the etherial plains....
    The Fallen is the 'Devil'....
    Turned against the original 13....
    Gained loyal followers, the Decepticons....
    Fallen is banished/goes in search of more power, the Allspark....
    New leader established, Megatron....
    War raged for years on Cybertron as a result....
    Megatron goes in search of more power, as his boss did....
    As we know Megatron gets defeated....
    Decepticons leaderless hear about the Fallen, this could possibly be the info that Sam has....
    Decepticons go in search of the Fallen....
    Knowing the how evil and powerful the Fallen is, Jetfire joins forces with the Autobots....
    Madness ensues....
    I get roughly 2 hours of escapism and another superb summer blockbuster....
    The End....

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  48. If this is true I have a good premise for the movie! Prime is severly hurt, and while the autobots are fighting he recovers and knows he needs to be bigger and stronger! Therefore him and jetfire combine to help save the day in the last stand of the movie!! Wut yall think?????? NE takers?

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  49. OK, it is clear that those Cam-Am Spyders are NEST vehicles just like those Hummer H3 and Hummer HX cars. But how long it takes to know is that ice cream truck really combination of the Twins?

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  50. I dont think Optimus combines with anyone....

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  51. I agree, revenge is not Optimus's character. So we'll see how this turns out.

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  52. Spoilers

    Truth (Everything in this section is the truth):

    1.Optimus will die
    2.The fallen is a charecter
    3.Megatron returns
    4.Ratchet will be mainly in robot mode
    5.The fallen wasnt autobot or decepticon however he became evil and the group called decepticons was made.
    6.The Giant wheeled robot from the teaser is 1/7 constructicons.
    7.Devastator makes his first apperance at the end of the film in an epic fight.
    8.Bay mentioned the fallen is a charecter!
    9.The next trailer is released in the film friday the 13th it will air on the saturday on youtube and will be on the offical site a week after.

    Suspected release dates:

    Transformers revenge of the fallen
    June 26th 2009

    Transformers rise of unicron
    June 29th 2011

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  53. Anyone who believes an extra would have this much info on a scene is an idiot. There is no way an "extra" has so much detail on scenes. I have friend's who do extra work all the time, and the most they are told to do is wear this sit here, look like ur reading this interact with these people, or are in the background. This is on Tv shows, so for a hollywood blockbuster no way Bay is telling some Extra, the details of a scene like this guy is describing. Prime will not die, probably will be badly ijured or damaged

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  54. I just sent an email to the blog administrator. I took part in a phone survey recently on upcoming movies and TF2 was included. As part of the survey, they revealed the basic but entire plot of the film. I hate spoilers (just come here for headlines and photos) but unfortunately now know the premise of the film.

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  55. I dont know who's more full of shit the puppy I got for X-mas or this scorpio guy....

    Anybody that think's they know the names of all the characters or what's going to happen in the movie are going to be made a fool of....

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  56. Yeah suuuuuuure ya were ya dipshit like they are going to let that be included on a phone survey after all this time trying to keep shit secret.... I swear some of the dumbest stupidest most full of shit m'fers come on this site....

    Did they have a phone survery to find out how f'in retarted you are too... what a f'in D-bag.

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  57. Wow. Lots of hate here. Now I'm glad I'm not fully reading this site.

    I have no reason to come here and make stuff up. If I have something to add, I will.

    I sent a detailed email to the blog admin with what was covered. If he chooses to post it, that's fine with me. If not, I really don't care.

    I can tell you the phone survey was close to 30 minutes. They covered a number of big-budget films that are to be released this year including another Ice Age film, Night at the Museum 2, the new Terminator film, and a few others including TF2. The person leading the survey asked:
    - Have you heard of "Transformers?"
    - Did you see "Transfomers" in the theater or on DVD?
    - Have you heard of "Transformers 2?"
    - On a scale of of 1 to 5, how likely are you to see "TF2?"
    - How likely are you to see it in the theater?
    - How do you think the film will be? Worse than first "Transformers" about the same as "Transformers" or better than the first "Transformers" movie?
    - Let's listen to a description of the film. (Plays recorded synopsis of the plot). Based on what you just heard how likely are you now to see "TF2" in the theater? On a scale of 1 to 5, 1 being highly UNLIKELY to see the film and 5 being "I DEFINITELY will see the film in the theater" how would you rate it?

    They did the same survey for all the other movies I was asked about.

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  58. If the ice cream truck is a Decepticon, then that leaked call sheet from Bethlehem, Pa. is bullshit. It said the truck split in half to avoid hitting kids in the street and gave them ice cream.

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  59. BULLSHIT!!!

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  60. duh, obviously its POISON ice cream

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  61. "If this is true I have a good premise for the movie! Prime is severly hurt, and while the autobots are fighting he recovers and knows he needs to be bigger and stronger! Therefore him and jetfire combine to help save the day in the last stand of the movie!! Wut yall think?????? NE takers?"

    This idea was way better when I had it 50 posts ago.

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  62. "duh, obviously its POISON ice cream"

    Shit, I shouldv'e realized. lol. Can I get some for my Ex?

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  63. "Guy said...
    Anyone who believes an extra would have this much info on a scene is an idiot. There is no way an "extra" has so much detail on scenes."

    The way this guy is spilling his guts(if it's true), Bay will probably take him out of the scenes, then kick his ass! Lol. Sick'em Mojo!!

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  64. revenge of fallen site updated

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  65. You anonymous guy, if ice cream truck is a Decepticon, you better prove it or NOBODY IS GOING TO LISTEN TO YOU ANYMORE HERE! Because if that isn't true, how could anyone believe you anymore

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  66. The third isnt going to come out in 2011, i think they will wait a while like they did with jurassic park and terminator 3

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  67. "Anonymous said...
    You anonymous guy, if ice cream truck is a Decepticon, you better prove it or NOBODY IS GOING TO LISTEN TO YOU ANYMORE HERE! Because if that isn't true, how could anyone believe you anymore
    2/03/2009 12:39 PM"

    ^^HEY YOU, YEAH YOU, SHIT FOR BRAINS. READ THE BLOG BEFORE YOU GO TALKING SHIT BITCH. I WAS ADDING TO THE FOLLING COMMENT:

    "cypherXR said...

    Also, a comment on the ICE CREAM TRUCK. It's not Mudflap and Skids combined. It's actually a Decepticon. The logo is actually on the side under the window in the rectangular section.
    2/03/2009 2:09 AM"

    SEE? GO BACK TO PLAYING HIDE THE SALAMI WITH YOUR PUPPY LITTLE BOY.

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  68. "snortpocket said...
    duh, obviously its POISON ice cream"

    Considering the scene is set in China where they have had serious issues with tainted milk it makes that joke funnier on so many more levels

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  69. Who are you calling "little boy"? I'm not yet adult, but I'm not a child. OK? By the way, if ice cream truck really is a Decepticon, tell me how can I see that image that proves ice cream truck to a Decepticon.

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  70. "Who are you calling "little boy"? I'm not yet adult, but I'm not a child. OK? By the way, if ice cream truck really is a Decepticon, tell me how can I see that image that proves ice cream truck to a Decepticon."

    Dude, I f'n told ya! cypherXR is the one who fucking made the statement! Ask him! SAMF.....

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  71. hey anyone remember the guy that said how he "knew for sure" that the first trailer was going to be a big tease and didn't show anything?

    Because that guy was full of SHIT

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  72. If you can watch enough closely, you'll see a Decepticon symbol in ice cream truck. If you won't believe on photos of this article, check out this: http://www.transformers.com.my/forum/online-tf-community-news-feed/8257-huge-behind-scenes-rotf-gallery-sideswipe-jolt-arcee-more.html or one of the links on article's text, which shows those mentioned 117 photos.

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  73. OK, everywhere that ice cream truck image is, can see a Decepticon symbol.

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  74. http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-toys--products-30/new-images-of-rotf-steam-shovel-constructicon--possible-devastator-news-166720/

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  75. I dont see a Decepticon symbol on the ice cream truck

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  76. Yeah me neither, it's like I said more then half the people that come on this site and post are just absolutely full of shit...

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  77. Regarding the ice cream truck: there does appear to be a symbol on the left-hand side of the sticker below the window. It could be a Decepticon symbol, but it is hard to tell.

    Here's a crazy thought: what if the ice cream truck is Wreck-Gar?

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  78. Did anyone notice this picture? http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=view&album=10896&pic=n713128624_1558303_9868.jpg&dispsize=600&start=20

    Does this mean that the Autobots are a part of NEST now?

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  79. Ironhide is the only member of NEST. As for the Ice Cream Truck being a Decepticon, as soon as I get a clearer zoomed in shot of the logo on the horizontal sticker below the window, I will post a link to it.

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  80. Oh and Compy, you might as well post the stuff from your phone survey in here as I don't think they're putting it up on the main page. And I for one am very interested to see what you found out.

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  81. The ice cream truck has a Decepticon symbol right under the window.

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  82. I DONT SEE SHIT UNDERNEATH THE WINDOW!!! WHAT THE HELL ARE YALL LOOKIN AT?

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  83. "I DONT SEE SHIT UNDERNEATH THE WINDOW!!! WHAT THE HELL ARE YALL LOOKIN AT?"

    The symbol is underneath the big window in the rear of the truck, where people would get their ice cream. Below that window is a black, horizontal sticker/decal. On the far left-side of that decal, there is a symbol. The symbol isn't 100% clear in this pic, but it looks like it could be the Autobot or Decepticon symbol. Hopefully cypherXR can come through with a clearer picture so we can see exactly what it is.

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  84. "Here's a crazy thought: what if the ice cream truck is Wreck-Gar?"

    That would be cool.

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  85. http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z16/CarbonShadow/TF2HollomanWhiteSandsSet5.jpg

    Here's the Truck with an emboss to show the symbol. Not that hard to find.

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  86. That image really really sucks ass dude....

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  87. Nobody knows anything, everyone who says "this is the truth" is a dumbass. We know Ravage is in the movie, we know Soundwave is in the movie, but all this speculation being passed off as the truth is fucking stupid [I mean you Scorpio].

    "Here's a crazy thought: what if the ice cream truck is Wreck-Gar?"
    That would be freakin' sweet

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  88. Hmm, just watched the trailer again. Pretty symbolic how if u watch the bit where Prime gets punched closely u see his face guard get smashed off........ Thats like the most synonymous part of Prime getting ripped off in the first trailer. Really dont think this bodes well.

    Orginally i thought maybe it was Jetfire that hit prime because he didnt have his face guard up, so they might have been talking with Prime trying to convert him, but it is definently up before he gets smashed in the face, then off as it flies through the air after lol. Gotta be Megs or the Fallen that does that.

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  89. Hmm..
    OPTIMUS.
    im a massive massive fan of optimus. i love him hes my favourite
    i really do hope he doesnt get killed off because that would make me upset and i no id cry for ever :'(
    i hope its not true., but i dont know what to beilive..
    i just really cant wait until june finally gets its arse around the corner !

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  90. You guys remember the earlier on the set images where the human characters discover the location of Jetfire? That's the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Canter. Now, the teaser trailer shows Optimus Prime getting whacked on the face and the background shows a grassy area with trees around in the daytime. My theory; this is the site of the center outside in during the day and because i have seen the area outside the museum and it looks similar to the background on the teaser trailer. Prime confronts Jetfire and they have a "talk" about alligiances. It doesn't go too well at first but things come around eventually. IF its exclusively true that Jetfire allies with Prime.

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  91. Yeah thats what i was thinking too, but not too sure since his face guard gets smashed off. I'm still thinking its megs or the Fallen.

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  92. In the scene where Prime gets "smacked", the other bots arm/hand is white/silverish..JEtfire was white in G1, but the jet they show is black..so unless jetfire painted himself, it has to be Galvatron.

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  93. Forget G1. Yes i know the SR71 Blackbird is all black but do you really think Jetfire is all black when in robot form? Comon! Is Optimus blue and red all over. I didn't think so.

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